September 11, 2025

This week, Frank and Dan dig into the shocking story of a Florida pastor who ran a $50 million call center cult, complete with forced labor, starvation, and abuse in the name of God.

They also cover: Kristi Noem funneling Homeland Security funds to churches, the Taliban refusing to let men rescue women after an earthquake, a chaplain abusing detainees in ICE custody, and a Mormon columnist caught in a predator sting. Listener emails tackle everything from schizophrenia stigma to Dobson’s “strong-willed child” legacy.

And in the final segment: the Wall Street Journal’s profile of ex-Mormon TikTok influencers—and why Utah Senator Mike Lee is losing his mind over it.

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Epsiode 716